🗣 Meetings, Part 2: Behind the symptom

Thursday, February 8, 2018 :: Tagged under: culture engineering management essay. ⏰ 6 minutes.

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I wrote a bit about meetings with a focus on people and incentives. Take out ineffective people, reward good people, make sure incentives align. Once you've done that, you still need to clean up the oil spill that was left behind. Removing the source of a problem is necessary, but not sufficient.

"Too many meetings," like having a fever, is a widely relatable idea because both meetings and fever are each symptoms of a large category of dysfunctions. Here are a few weaknesses and restrictions I've observed to make meetings appear necessary.

Incorrect org structure

This is the easiest one to understand, and the one that most absolves leadership of having to think critically of their behavior: we just have the wrong team structure! It's simply a matter of the right re-org!

Weak leaders love assigning this as the reason there are too many meetings, partially because the solution requires substantial effort to execute. Deciding to re-org means managing career/political ramifications for a lot of folks, renewed compensation negotiations, the announcement(s), and waiting months to see the effect. When you don't know what to do, it can buy time; all you have to do is sufficiently convince yourself and others of a thesis that's not really testable ("is this the optimum org structure" has far too many possibilities to be sufficiently answered, and your company + the market is always changing to make comparisons moot anyways). The person initiating a re-org is also seen to be Taking Action in front of their superior, playing into the preference to manage up instead of down. Lastly, one can also re-org without much firing, another thing weak managers avoid.

Despite the above, this is sometimes the correct diagnosis. If excessive meetings are always happening between the same two teams or individuals and you absolutely can't give up any process, take a critical look at their responsibilities and evaluate if they're so distinct. Look at the last initiative your unit executed (or failed to), where it snagged, and tweak as necessary.

That said, one of the other reasons might still be at play, because in theory, these two chatty teams could just use email, or Google Docs?

10 generals planning a battle for 12 soldiers

One broken org structure deserves special attention.

In some companies the people who do the work leave or consider leaving, but the people who make the work enjoy their gigs enough to stay. If this goes on for long enough you end up with the incorrect workforce, where you get a surplus of strategy but not enough people to execute.

Compare the satisfaction of employees who execute and those who assign: speak with them, look at attrition, and/or use something like TinyPulse or Google Forms. If you're losing people who shovel coal into the engine, your train won't move, no matter how good your conductors are.

While any re-org is challenging, I suggest taking pretty drastic measures in this case to accommodate what your workers need. If you're at this point already, each loss costs more than the last, is harder to rebuild from, and the ones vocalizing their discontent are probably already on their way out anyways.

Lack of feeling safe when making or announcing decisions

Variations of "lack of trust" and "lack of safety" should be one of your first guesses when considering virtually any cultural issue. Cultural wrongs exist in a company because its people, consciously or subconsciously, decide it costs more to acknowledge or address a problem rather than live with it. It lines up with a ton of Google research and years of management theory.

Meetings are often used as a mechanism that forces something your culture is lacking. "Why couldn't this be an email?" Because the culture (either of an individual, or the company as a whole) has most folks feeling…

"Stakeholders won't engage" = Permission vs. Intent, Bad Prioritization

Here's very common one: meetings that largely go over the content of a doc. One could presumably just send out the doc and eschew the meeting, but there's little confidence that the right people will read it, or meaningfully engage. It gets worse if meeting participants are then on their phones or laptops.

As a tactical fix, you can try switching to RFCs, which stands for "Request For Comments". They're pretty popular in engineering circles: a team writes up what they intend to do, and invite others to comment. There's no meeting over this document: past a certain date, new comments are closed, existing discussions get wrapped up, then work starts. NPM has some lessons, as does Juan Pablo Buriticá. Google Docs has excellent collaboration/comment features, and Good Ole Email works.

I want to stress that I find success when the RFC doc is light. You want it to be meaningful, so go beyond simple high-level concepts; on the other hand, everyone will appreciate brevity, and you won't know many of the real obstacles to your problem until you're actually working on it. After some practice you'll find the Goldilocks level of detail.

Moving meetings to RFCs usually gets pushback or surfaces bugs; investigation into who pushes back and why is where you'll often find where Meeting Culture comes from.

In my experience, it's a combination of teams needing permission from their bosses for too much, and their bosses not prioritizing correctly so they're always "too busy" to read email or docs. If management is top-down, meetings become a way to get permission instead of state intent, and the company fails to scale because the workers don't feel like they have ownership or autonomy (which also makes them leave). Because Leader's permission is needed to move forward, and all teams need that attention, Leader gets busy and can't read the prepared docs adequately. The only way to get their full attention is to put them in a meeting. So.

"My asks aren't precise" = Lack of direction or vision

Sometimes the initiator of a meeting can't write it in a doc because they're not clear on what they want, or has dependencies they can't satisfy without putting people in a room.

Debug as normal:

It's very hard to clarify one's thoughts. There's a good chance meetings with imprecise premises are largely a result of this. Investigate this with the initiator of the meeting, and per the bits above about psychological safety and trust, be abundantly clear about the fact that this is coming from a place of collaboration, support, and improvement.

It may also signal trouble with overall vision and direction with the team, or at the company: it may be that meeting premises are imprecise because a team or business unit is unclear on what their team is meant to achieve, what they own vs. what other teams own, or how they fit into the company's greater objectives; and they use meetings as an ad-hoc way to clarify these. Be mindful of this possibility.


Reminder that many meetings are necessary, many that are part of your core structure (sprint planning, sprint retro, manager 1:1s) aren't bad existentially; if they feel bad, consider "why is it not effective?" instead of "how can I get rid of it?"

There's also this standard advice to making meetings more effective:

Good luck!

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